Enjoyed this Dave. Thanks for Enjoyed this Dave. Thanks for summarising some wonderfully insightful points covering such an array of spirituality. 45–6 ...is fascinating. I had never thought about it in that way. It perhaps explains why super spiritual folk can be so annoying and yet appear so ok with the world. They've renounced ambiguity, instability and change in the name of some abstract certainty. I admit to finding their behaviour infuriating at times; perhaps I'm just jealous though! Doubt sure can be crippling. 86/87 ...is hilarious. I have long thought that sexually manipulative gurus are almost always failed male teenagers who probably didn't get laid until they turned all holy and shit. 47 & 49 ...are great reminders of why cults continue to function in spite of the readily available information out there unmasking their nonsense claims. The recent HBO doc on Scientology being a case in point. My first foray into Buddhism was with a Tibetan Gelug hybrid which has increasingly taken on the form of a cult over the years, the NKT, and they have many of the boxes from this list ticked like Scientology. These cults change lives and are often cancerous. They are out there though, making bold guarantees and so many promises and represent such a strong pull for so many folks. This raises further questions for me regarding the nature of groups, social commitments, shared goals and the making and sharing of meaning in social spheres. I wonder how possible it is to establish networks where the deep needs felt by so many can be met without forcing them to sign over their ability to think freely, exist autonomously and embrace ambiguity. Seems to me much of the issues you list from the book concern maturity, both on the part of the teacher and student. I agree and long have that Tantra as a model of human spirituality and modality of practice is likely a sane solution to many of these issues, but then you need sane people teaching it and also able to transcend the traditional forms that can cripple its ability to be relevant in the 21st century West.